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Out of Whose Mouth Did this Quote Come?

Posted by iusbvision on October 9, 2007

  · “I believe … that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq.”  

 · When asked if the American military surge is a success…, “Well, that would be a real big problem for us, no question about that.” 

 · “If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime—Pol Pot or others—that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.” 

· “You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don’t you get stuck in Iraq.” 

· “We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there.” 

· “If a young fella has an option of having a decent career or joining the army to fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq.” 

· “And let me be clear. The violence in Anbar has gone down in spite of the Surge, not because of the Surge. The inability of American soldiers to protect these tribes from Al Qaeda said to these tribes, ‘We have to fight Al Qaeda ourselves’.”  

· General Petraeus’ progress report on Iraq requires “a willing suspension of disbelief.” 

· “And there is no reason… that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the – of – the historical customs, religious customs.” 

· “[American] troops overreacted because of the pressure on them and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood.” 

ALL OF THESE QUOTES CAME FROM DEMOCRATS WHO CURRENTLY HOLD OFFICE.  ALL OF THESE POLITICIANS HAVE INDEPENDENTLY CLAIMED TO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS.  WHO NEEDS ENEMIES WHEN YOU HAVE SUPPORTERS LIKE THIS?

52 Responses to “Out of Whose Mouth Did this Quote Come?”

  1. scott Gorney said

    so let me get this straigt, the Republicans have made Iraq a mess, and really in a sense dont know how to fix it, and because people who are pointing this out, they are compared to the “enemy”. If your thesis is correct, than 75% of the American people are “the enemy”. Here is another problem I have with the Republican party. When they want some piece of discriminatory legislation passed that will single out a certain group of people, they cry “it is the will of the people”, but when a majority of Americans think Iraq was a bad idea and want us out of there, we are called “the enemy”. This is why the Republican party is so out of touch with the American people.

    Scott Gorney

  2. scott gorney said

    So let me get this straight, the republicans and namely bush have made a mess of Iraq, and those of us who point it out are called “enemies” That seems kind of cynical to me. Next, when Republicans want to pass some sort of discriminatory legislation singling out a group of people, they say “it is the will of the people”, but when 80% of the american people want us out of iraq, they are called the enemie.

    Scott Gorney

  3. archangel7681 said

    So is it 75% or is it 80% or are you just pulling numbers from the sky?

  4. Rachel said

    There are a lot of conservative Americans who also feel the war in Iraq is really not going anywhere right now. There are many conservative Americans who do not believe the raping and killing of innocent civilians are necessary to win a war.

    I have problems with the assumption that just because somebody speaks out with an opinion disagreeing with the military strategy acted on by George Bush, they are automatically put in this category of “anti-American, non-troop-supporters.” And on most political and social points, I fall pretty clearly within the conservative camp.

    I no longer identify myself as “Republican.” I’m so sick of both of these parties drawing a line in the sand and pretending like their side has all the answers. As far as I have seen, the Democrats and the Republicans get more and more alike with each passing year, and they both seem more interested in getting elected to and keeping power than in making any real difference.

  5. Scott Gorney said

    Jarrod,
    Lets not get testy because I blew your theory out of th water. The general consensus is that MOST AMERICANS regardless of the percentage, no longer support the war that the Republicans have supported and even encouraged. Conservatism is, as a prominent Republican once said “in the dustbin of history”

    Scott Gorney

  6. Chuck Norton said

    I see that some people are trying to forget General Petreaus’ Report to Congress. Also, wars are not done by opinion poll. Wars are not popular and never have been. The Civil War was very unpopular. Than again, the only opinion poll that counts is the one on a presidential election year.

    quote ————

    In survey results released Wednesday by the Gallup polling organization, 54 percent of respondents said they believe Petreaus’ plan for removing troops is the right pace or too quick, while only 33 percent view the withdrawal as moving too slowly. Also, 52 percent of those polled said the plan withdraws the right amount or too many troops, while 36 percent said it removes too few troops.

    The same poll shows that, even after attacks on his credibility and integrity from Senate Democrats, as well as the MoveOn.org ad that asked if he was “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?” a higher percentage of respondents now view the top U.S. military commander in Iraq favorably (61 percent) than before his testimony (52 percent), while only 22 percent view him unfavorably.

    The Gallup survey comes one day after the Pew Research Center released its latest findings that gave Petraeus high marks for his integrity and proposals.

    In that poll, 57 percent of Americans who read or heard about Petraeus’ testimony approved of his recommendations for Iraq, while only 28 percent of respondents said they disapprove. A majority of those surveyed (51 percent) also said they believe he presented the situation as it really is.

    Pew Research also asked if the U.S. has been making progress or losing ground in seven key areas. Since June, a higher percentage said progress is being made in six of the areas, the highest being “reducing civilian casualties” – which was up by 33 percent.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200709/NAT20070919c.html

    end quote ——————————————–

  7. Chuck Norton said

    By the way didnt Lincoln go through almost 2 dozen generals before he found U.S. Grant?

  8. archangel7681 said

    I am just wondering where the 75 and 80 percentages came from. I am suggesting that you made those numbers up. You provided two separate numbers, neither of which had a source. Were they from a respected pollster such as Zogby, Gallup, or Harris? Or was it a NYT or Moveon.org poll?

    Also, none of those quotes had anything to do with President Bush. The President is an elected official and open for criticism, the troops are not. All the quotes were directed toward our troops. You cannot support the troops when lie and call them rapists and dishonest. American troops are not air raiding villages and they are not raping Iraqi women. They are not terrorizing children in the dead of night. You cannot support them by comparing them to Nazis.

    If you cannot see the difference between saying Rumsfeld’s plan had flaws and saying the smart kids go to college while stupid kids go to Iraq, you really don’t want to. Some people are so blinded by hatred of the other party that they will allow members of their party to say anything if they stay in power, even if it means spreading lies about our troops.

    I am willing to admit that the majority of Americans want us out of Iraq, if you can admit that the majority of Americans want us to leave in victory not defeat.

    Rachael, I agree with you that the parties are getting closer together, as my article on the election suggests. The Dems keep running to the left and the GOP is following them along.

  9. Scott Gorney said

    Jarrod,
    I dont think it is wise to question my source for numbers when your writer, Chuck, quoted a source with Newt Gingerich on the front page. I dont think his source is credible either. Second, my source comes from polls done by Zogby, and Ipswich poll, which are shown on the evening news and other places. Continued on next posting

  10. Scott Gorney said

    next, these quotes are not directed at all the troops, just some of them. Just because your a U.S soldier does not make you immune from criticism when you screw up, like Abu Ghraib. Putting on a uniform is not a shied from criticism. Next, most of the quotes are NOT directed at the troops, but rather YOUR PRESIDENT’S HANDLING OF THE WAR, WHICH WAS MISMANANGED FROM THE BEGINNING.
    Scott

  11. Scott Gorney said

    oh, I forgot about you qoute about going to college and such. Alot of smart kids cannot go to college because it costs too much. I would put my grades up agains anyones, but yet I had to go to college because the money simply was not there because my parents did not have it. Many times, the military is a way out of poverty in this country, mostly because of the widening gap in wealth in the U.S. So for some, it is a last resort

  12. archangel7681 said

    At least Chuck cited his source, which is something that you apparently cannot do for your numbers since you have had six posts on this thread and still have not cited the source. I still stand on my statement that you made up those numbers and did not confirm them before you typed them out.

    Those quotes have nothing to do with the President and everything to do with the troops. Bush is not mentioned one time. Look at the quotes again. The first two are about the surge. If the surge is not working, that would be the troops. The President is not over there. Clearly this is a shot at the troops. By the way, why would the second most powerful Democratic congressman claim that success for our soldiers is bad for his party? Is he saying that what is good for America is bad for the Democratic party?

    The third quote is from Dick Durbin clearly comparing our troops to Nazis.

    The fourth quote is John Kerry comparing the intelligent kids who go to college adn the apparently dumb kids who go to Iraq.

    The fifth quote is from Sen. Obama falsely claiming that our troops are air raiding villiages. This is of course not true.

    The sixth quote is from Charles Rangel who apparently feels that military service is no longer a decent career, even though he served himself in Vietnam.

    The seventh quote is from Charles Schumer saying that despite Harry Reid claiming the surge is not working, that the surge is working despite our troops. If you claim that the first two quotes are aimed at Bush, then this one must be aimed at the troops. As much as Democrats want to, they cannot talk out both sides of their mouth at the same time.

    Next quote is Hilary Clinton calling Patreus a liar. How is that directed at Bush?

    Quote nine is from John Kerry. He even mentions “American soldiers”. How can you possibly state that this is not directed at the American soldiers?

    Quote ten is from Congressman Murtha. Unfortunately for Mr. Murtha the marines he is referring to were found completely innocent.

    Finally, what a sad story about not being able to go to college. The U.S. government provides tens of millions of dollars to go to college. If students apply themselves and earn good grades, there is money for them to go to school. Maybe you missed it, President Bush just signed a bill a couple weeks ago giving even more money for college.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2007-09-27-2439710439_x.htm

  13. Chuck Norton said

    Quote——-
    Scott Gorney Wrote—-

    I dont think it is wise to question my source for numbers when your writer, Chuck, quoted a source with Newt Gingerich on the front page.

    —————————————-end quote

    Oh what a surprise – a site that reported what the professor I quoted said on a politiocal site actually dared to have a political ad on the page…. and somehow that makes the source not credible? And Newt is not known for making wild unsupported statements anyways so what kind of twisted whacki logic is that? Or is it all that matters is that you hate certain people and for you thats good enough?

  14. I pretty much new this portion would bring rise to anger and frustration. I am, however, going to need to agree with Rachel on this one.

    It is disappointing to see the objective of modern day politics is not for the best interests of the United States, but whats in the best interests of the party in (or out) of power.

    Everyone is out to make the other look bad. These quotes are prime examples of that. It would be unfair to say Republican’s never said anything that was ‘Questionable’ to try and hurt the other party (or parties) involved in making their own party look good – it might not be related to the war, but it was probably related to something else important.

    I wonder if the fog will ever clear.

  15. The placing of political satire on a page with the heading “Fun and Games” is ill-advised at best, factually misleading and irresponsible at worst. Which in my opinion is also characteristic of the political skew in this entire issue.

    The Vision in representing “A Student Reflection” should cater towards students as a whole and lean away from partisan attacks which can only divide the campus readership.

    Half of the pages of a campus publication for national politics! My, my!

  16. Rachel said

    Andrew, what’s wrong with a campus publication covering national politics? We will always have the Preface to give us reviews of the latest movie, angst-filled CD, or local bar with the most beer choices.

    Craig,

    I should have known you would join with me on this. I can’t take an election race that lasts for two years. Pretty soon, they’ll start platforming the day they swear in the new Pres.

  17. Rachel,

    Campus publications should focus on things relating to the campus, I feel. National politics may be more newsworthy than beer, but it’s not as good as the Vision is capable of, in my opinion.

    My father always told me to not feel that success is being better than the competition, but making sure that in the competition between how well I’m doing and how well I could be doing, I’m doing ok. I think this applies here.

  18. Is this gonna Kill You? No i Dont Think so !

  19. Chuck Norton said

    This is one of the most talked about parts of the Vision on campus that I have seen in a long time, this was a great idea and we should do more of the same, as there has been much talk on campus about this piece the interest is obviously there.

  20. Ed Lima said

    Here’s another one.

    Who said this, a democrat or a terrorist?

    “The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not insurgents or terrorists or ‘The Enemy.’ They are the revolution, the minutemen, and their numbers will grow — and they will win.”

  21. Joe C. said

    Two can play at this ridiculous game. Who said this one, Adolf Hitler, or a member of the Republican party?:
    “We just want Jews to be perfected.”

  22. Joe C. said

    So you want to play terrorist or democrat, huh? How clever. Well you shouldn’t mind a little game of Nazi or Republican then.
    Who said this one, a member of the Nazi Party or the Republican Party?:
    “[Y]ou could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down”

  23. Joe C. said

    Alright, this stupid game continues. Who said this one, the leader of the Nazi Party or the leader of the Republican Party?:
    “Entweder will Gott die Übel beseitigen und kann es nicht, oder er kann es und will es nicht, …
    Ok, that might be a little too easy.

  24. Joe C. said

    Continuing on with a taste of your own medicine, who said this to the face of a member of the opposing political party?:
    “Go f*ck yourself.”
    Was it, Geobbels Joseph Goebels, second in command to Adolf Hitler in the Nazi party? Or was it Richard Cheney, second in command to Goerge W. Bush in the Republican Party.

  25. Nazi or Republican? said

    Who said this, a Nazi or a Republican?:
    “I feel the best way to ensure freedom is to tighten restrictions on that freedom in any way possible. Only through wiretaps, illegal searches and seizures, unfettered government intrusion, a controlled media and a complete crackdown on free speech can we ensure the liberties of all people.”

  26. Chuck Norton said

    Dear nazi,

    I googled the key words in your quote and all I got were 1 message boards, a letter someone wrote to a newspaper, and a guys personal site that he gets with his AT&T internet account that attribute this to John Ashcroft. Google and google news find no quotes from Ashcroft that have they key words in your statement. I guess I can check Lexis/Nexis tomarrow at the library to determine this for certain.

  27. Mental Patient or Republican? said

    “I would warn Orlando that you’re right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don’t think I’d be waving those flags in God’s face if I were you, This is not a message of hate — this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It’ll bring about terrorist bombs; it’ll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor.” –On “gay days” at Disneyworld

  28. Chuck Norton said

    Dear Joe C.

    The “we just want Jews to be perfected” is so nicely taken totally out of context, but that is Ann Coulter.

    Ann, who always has been a big supporter of Israel, said that of course Christians hoped that Jews (and everyone else really) would accept Jesus and become Christians.

    Now are you ready for a desperately needed education?

    What Ann said is basic Christian doctrine that has been taught in every Sunday School class for centuries.

    ——————————————————-

    Quote the Oxford University Guide To the New Testament

    http://www.us.oup.com/us/companion.websites/0195154622/studentresources/ch25/?view=usa

    He (Saul) argued that Christianity represented the perfection of Judaism. Christianity was the religion foretold by the prophets.

    ————————————–END QUOTE

    Ok If that isnt good enough………….

    QUOTE—————————————–

    According to the Catholic Encyclopedia of Catholic Doctrine

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14530a.htm

    Other doctrines, specifically Christian, are not added on to Judaism to develop, but rather to supersede it. In reality, between the New and Old Testaments there is a direct but not revolutionary succession as a superficial observer might be inclined to believe; just as in living beings, the imperfect state of yesterday must give way before the perfection of today although the one has normally prepared the other.

    ————————————End Quote

    Well thats another smear nuked……. next?

  29. Joe C. said

    After expressing an opposing view to the group-think at the Vision, it appears my comments are now all under moderation. Free speech except for those who disagree, huh? Nazis or Republicans? You decide.

  30. iusbvision said

    Joe C,

    WordPress has a very active spam filter, if your comment gets caught by it try rephrasing it or if you quote a web link use dashes instead of dots etc.

    Also if you make too many posts in a period of time, it will think you are a spammer.

  31. Ed Lima said

    WOOHOO! Pin the tail on the nazi!

    Who said, “”Wir müssen die Juden ausrotten”?

    Was it:

    a) “Zee” Fuhrer himself
    b) Heinrich Himmler
    c) Hermann Goering
    d) Cartman

  32. Nazi or Republican? said

    “My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.”
    Was it Joseph Goebels on Russia, or Dick Cheney on Iraq?

  33. Ed Lima said

    By the way, the quote ““The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not insurgents or terrorists or ‘The Enemy.’ They are the revolution, the minutemen, and their numbers will grow — and they will win” was written by none other than the world’s greatest blood-sucking amoeba: Michael Moore.

  34. Chuck Norton said

    However Craig, the quotes from the Democrats have one thing in common that you don’t see from most in the Republican leadership. What the Democratic Leadership says is replayed an Al-Jazeera and is used to convince Al-Qaeda and other bin-Ladinists that we are eminently defeatable. The Far left, and the leadership of the Democratic Party has invested in our defeat for political reasons and the result is the motivation of the enemy and the deaths of more Iraqi’s and coalition troops.

    The point of this is not that politicians on both sides say dumb things, but to point out that the Democratic Leadership is invested in our defeat as opposed to good Americans who are invested in Victory. Am I saying that if you are invested in defeat that you are a bad American? The answer is absolutely yes.

  35. Joe C. said

    If you voted twice for George Bush, then you are a bad American.

  36. Chuck Norton said

    Joe C (Nazi or Republican) –

    Dick Cheney said that we would be greeted as liberators.

    We were, I have the video from when we took Baghdad. Also we have this from the Washington Post – ———

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48454-2005Jan30.html

    BAGHDAD, Jan. 30 — Millions of Iraqis turned out Sunday to cast ballots in the country’s first free elections in a half-century, the ranks of voters surging as attacks by insurgents proved less ferocious than feared and enthusiasm spilled over into largely Sunni Arab regions where hardly a campaign poster had appeared.

    Lines that began small at polling stations grew during the 10 hours of voting, sometimes dramatically. After casting ballots, many Iraqis triumphantly pointed their index fingers, stained with the purple ink that indicated they had voted, and hardly flinched at gunfire and explosions that interrupted the day. At one station, a woman showered election workers with handfuls of candy. At another, a veiled, elderly woman kept repeating, “God’s blessings on you” to election workers. Across town, three Iraqi soldiers carried an elderly man in a wheelchair two blocks to a voting booth.

    “It’s like a wedding. I swear to God, it’s a wedding for all of Iraq,” said Mohammed Nuhair Rubaie, the director of a polling station in Baghdad’s Sunni neighborhood of Tunis where, after a slow start, hundreds of voters gathered as the cloudless day progressed. “No one has ever witnessed this before. For a half-century, no one has seen anything like it.

    “And we did it ourselves.”

    Officials loosely estimated voter turnout at 60 percent nationwide — a figure that, if accurate, would make Sunday’s vote perhaps the freest, most competitive election in an authoritarian Arab world…..

  37. Joe C. said

    You’re spinning like an Amazon spider. It’s always about context when the quotes aren’t your own, huh. As for me, I’m a straight-talker, and I let the quotes speak for themselves.

  38. Nazi or Republican? said

    “Phony soldiers”

  39. Nazi or Republican? said

    Who said this, a Nazi, or a Republican?:
    “It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”
    Was it Mr. Rumsfeld concerning Iraq, or Mr. Goebbels on the annexation of Austria?

  40. Chuck Norton said

    Joe, you are NOT a straight talker, and yes there are phony soldiers. Those who write for left wing publications who claim to have served when they have not, or otherwise misrepresented their service or lied about what they saw, like Scott Beauchamp and Jesse Mcbeth who claimed he was ordered to kill hundreds of Iraqi civilians…

    Here is the boy Rush was talking about….

    Context matters….

    ————quote————

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003895483_webmacbeth21m.html

    A Tacoma man who falsely claimed he was a decorated war hero when he took the stage at demonstrations held in opposition to the U.S.’s role in Iraq was sentenced this morning to five months in prison in U.S. District Court in Seattle.

    Jesse MacBeth, 23, was also sentenced to three months in a halfway house after his release and three years of probation.

    MacBeth claimed that he was an Army ranger who killed more than 200 people, many at close range, including some as they prayed in a mosque. He spoke at an anti-war rally in Tacoma and appeared in a 20-minute anti-war video that circulated widely on the Internet.

    In reality, MacBeth made it through only six weeks of Army basic training and never set foot in Iraq.

    Conservative bloggers exposed MacBeth in May 2006, destroying his credibility and embarrassing the Seattle company that produced the video about his exploits.

    On June 7, MacBeth pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. MacBeth admitted that he filed a bogus claim for VA benefits in 2005, which included a fraudulent military-discharge form.

    MacBeth said on the forms that he had been in the Army for more than three years and had achieved the rank of corporal. He also claimed he had been awarded a Purple Heart and that he was discharged because he suffered from post-traumatic-stress disorder.

    MacBeth spent 44 days as a private at Fort Benning, Ga., in 2003, but was released “for issues related to entry-level performance and conduct,” according to court papers.

    PepperSpray Productions in Seattle produced the video titled “Jesse MacBeth: An Iraq Veteran Speaks Out.” In the film, MacBeth told nuanced tales of brutal killings he carried out at the behest of his commanding officers.

    “They would actually feel the hot muzzle of my rifle on their forehead,” he reportedly said on the video, which is no longer in circulation.

  41. iusbvision said

    I am trying to keep up with the blog as best I can with approving comments and fishing them out of the spam filter. I’m not sure who said it, but it is correct that if your comment gets flagged, try taking the link out someway. For instance instead of http://www.iusb.edu, try www-iusb-edu or something like that. We use a lot of key words on the blog that get flagged routinely such as bomb, terrorist, war, etc. since we discuss politics. That can also cause your comment to be flagged.

    Joe C. – The whole Nazi or Republican thing is a clever response to the Democrat or Terrorist game I submitted. I think you will like the quote game for the next issue.

    Jarrod Brigham, Editor

  42. Ed Lima said

    “Wir müssen die Juden ausrotten” – Cartman

  43. Joe C. said

    Chuck, you’re spinning like a top, brother. I can’t even make it through your whole response, the words are spinning so fast.

    Folks, a straight-talker like me has no use for Chuck’s spin. I shoot from the hip, while he shoots from the lip!

    As for the “Nazi or Republican?” questions, I think they are just as stupid as the “Democrat or Terrorist?” questions. Unless you’re drinking some fringe kool-aid, you don’t think that Republicans are Nazis or that Democrats are terrorists.
    I just brought up “Nazi or Republican?” to show how stupid “Democrat or Terrorist?” was. Personally, I think the paper should both of these stupid games right now. And that’s the no spin truth.

  44. Ed Lima said

    Spoke like a true Bill O’Reilly fan.

  45. Chuck Norton said

    Joe C,

    Call me names, ignore the sourced evidence I posted…congrats, you have just pulled the same tactic that almost every hater, nut case and hard left ideologue who has ever posted on here has done. I am starting to wonder if there is even a residue of unique thought or ability among the lot of you. Of course, there is nothing for me to refute if you do not post any substance. Once again its call names to discredit so real debate isn’t necessary.

  46. Joe C. said

    Folks, I do a lot of arguing with those on the fringe left and on the fringe right. Usually they can make it more than one sentence without contradicting themselves. Not Mr. Norton, however. He doesn’t even make it off of the launch pad before torpedoing himself.
    “CALL ME NAMES,” he writes, just like every other “NUT CASE” who argues against him.
    Priceless. One sentence. One principle (thou shall not call names). One name called. One principle violated.
    It’s a unique style Mr. Norton has. Usually one presents an argument and then waits for someone to argue against it. With Mr. Norton, on the other hand, it’s as if he can’t wait to be contradicted, so he does it himself!

  47. Chuck Norton said

    Joe,

    Trying to convert my statement into something that suits you better is wiser of you let maybe 7 or 8 posts get between yours and mine so that perhaps, those who read might not be diligent enough to see what you are up to. But since my last post is right above yours it saves me the trouble of having to point it out.

    Nice try in trying to wrap my words around your axle, but the simple fact is that we have had to ban some people from posting here because to say that they got “nutty” is a generous description of the behavior. You see Joe we don’t just get people who avoid the arena of facts and substance as you do, sometimes some genuinely unstable people try to cause problems here. It is worthy of note that those same people started out using the similar tactic as you have, namely avoid the substance and make it about the messenger.

    I came back to see if anyone was going to attempt to refute the sourced facts I stated above, and once again, no such effort is attempted. Oh well at least people can call me more names.

  48. Joe C. said

    Chuck,
    Thanks for the chuckle :-)

  49. This is exactly the kind of partisan shouting match that is the result of what I still consider an ill-advised article, if it can even be called an article. This is not intelligent discussion!

    That being said, the one thing I see gained is that it takes a far longer context – like the ones being demonstrated by Chuck – to see something in full light. By his answering and quoting larger news sources, the real point proven is that any small quote – like the ones taken from Democrats in the article – can be twisted out of context.

  50. Chuck Norton said

    Andrew,

    You make a good point about the light being shed on comments, but on the facts I challenge anyone to examine the statements from the democrats and demonstrate with evidence that the contextual meaning was much different than it was presented here ( they are all on youtube so go look for yourself).

    On the other hand Look at what the left said about Rush Limbaugh’s “phony soldiers” comment. They lied about what he said big time, the same with O’Reilly and with what Coulter said. These outfits like Media Matters and Moveon.org deliberately smear people and manufacture a false context about what they say. It is just like the people who smeared that writer for the Preface. They used the same tactic against him.

    The simple truth is that the leadership of the Democratic Party has said things like this repeatedly IN THIS VERY CONTEXT. Look at what Pete Starke just said on the House floor just a few days ago. You can find the video of all these statements on Youtube. Go see for yourself. The Vision, as usual, got it right. It is newsworthy to point out that the leadership of one party has been invested in our defeat. It is even made even more newsworthy that the elite media culture tries to hide these statements from the public.

  51. Chuck,

    As I mentioned before, the John Kerry comment is a case in point. One may not believe that it was indeed a joke gone wrong, nevertheless, the explanation is part of the context. Whether or not someone chooses to accept that explanation is his or her choice, but the full picture – of which a journalist is honor-bound to report – is that there was an explanation.

    To suggest otherwise is no better than pictures of President Bush under the banner “Mission Accomplished”.

    What’s newsworthy is allowing readers to come to their own conclusions, and not getting overly emotionally, personally and invested and politically partial while attempting to be a journalist.

  52. Correction: “not getting overly, emotionally and personally invested, and politically partial while attempting to be a journalist.”

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