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Obama: Old people don’t need life saving treatments they can take a pain pill (and be left to die) – UPDATED!

Posted by iusbvision on June 26, 2009

[Welcome Associated Content readers! – Editor]

UPDATE – See this video from Obama advisor and former Labor Secretery Robert Reich – LINK.

Take out the fluff talk…. and this is what you are left with. Sick ……

Transcript with Rush Limbaugh’s comments:

Member of the audience. Jane Sturm: “My mother is now over 105. But at 100, the doctors said to her, ‘I can’t do anything more unless you have a pacemaker.’ I said, ‘Go for it.’ She said, ‘Go for it.’ But the specialist said, ‘No, she’s too old.’ But when the other specialist saw her and saw her joy of life, he said, ‘I’m going for it.’ That was over five years ago. My question to you is: Outside the medical criteria for prolonging life for somebody who is elderly, is there any consideration that can be given for a certain spirit, a certain joy of living, a quality of life, or is it just a medical cutoff at a certain age?”

Obama: “I don’t think that we can make judgments based on people’s ‘spirit.’ Uh, that would be, uh, a pretty subjective decision to be making. I think we have to have rules that, uh, say that, uh, we are going to provide good quality care for all people. End-of-life care is one of the most difficult sets of decisions that we’re going to have to make. But understand that those decisions are already being made in one way or another. If they’re not being made under Medicare and Medicaid, they’re being made by private insurers. At least we can let doctors know — and your mom know — that you know what, maybe this isn’t going to help. Maybe you’re better off, uhh, not having the surgery, but, uhh, taking the painkiller.” Do you realize how cold and heartless that answer is? This woman is asking about her mother. And everywhere she went, except one doctor, refused to put in the pacemaker. “Nah, she’s too old; she’s going to die anyway.”

So they found a specialist: “Maybe this woman really loves living. I’ll put it in.” She’s lived five years with the pacemaker, and still Obama: “Maybe you’re better off to tell your mother to take a pill, take a painkiller.” See, we have to have rules. “We have to have rules. Your mother should have died five years ago, lady. She would have been better off taking that painkiller.” Who says we have to have his rules? The President of the United States is not a king. He’s not an autocrat. He’s not a ruler. He doesn’t get to set the rules. Obama has taken it upon himself to do so. This woman found a way to get her mother a pacemaker. With Obamacare, you just heard the answer: It wouldn’t have happened.

Chilling.

UPDATE -

Obama Advisor and former Labor Sec. Robert Reich: We are going to let the old die because its to expensive and we are going to make the drug companies poor so they cant innovate new drugs so you young people likely will not live much longer than your parents.

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10 Responses to “Obama: Old people don’t need life saving treatments they can take a pain pill (and be left to die) – UPDATED!”

  1. Angelo said

    It’s interesting how Obama’s statement seems to start out as advocating awareness of unnecessary, and possibly harmful/lethal overmedication, but ends up advocating euthanasia. From my understanding and experience the high level of side effects and low level of effectiveness of many prescription medications is indicative of, not only an inconsiderate pursuit of gain, but also the promotion of euthanasia. There’s a book I’ve been meaning to read called “Our Daily Meds” and it is about the marketing and manufacture of often unnecesary and usually harmul drugs. Another point I’d like to make is that, in my opinion, the impact of support and authorization for embryonic stem cell research is less about helping people than numbing the collective conscience (to things like partial-birth abortion and euthanasia) by the embracing of immorality.

  2. problemat1que said

    This video is EDITED.

    Just go on google and find a full transcript of this.
    transcript jane sturm 105 should do the trick.

    Obama actually says:
    “I don’t want bureaucracies making those decisions,… they are already being made… If not under Medicare & Medicaid, they’re being made by private insurers.”
    About the pacemaker:
    “that’s a good example of where-if we’ve got experts looking at this, … that the pacemaker may ultimately save money, then we potentially COULD HAVE DONE THAT FASTER.”

    Instead this vid cuts to a point where he talks about how we all could save money on OTHER MEDICATION THAT DOESN’T HELP.

    I’m sorry people, this is so obvious.
    DON’T BE FOOLED.

    AGAINST HEALTHCARE REFORM ARE ONLY THE BIG INSURANCE CORPORATIONS AND THEIR HELPERS, because they want you continue to give them money for nothing.

    “Pre-existing conditions” and “experimental treatments”, anyone?

    [IUSB Vision Editor Responds:

    First of all, the show was an hour long and the clip is two minutes so in that sense it is edited, but the clip presented keeps the context as intended. As proof, in the comments below is the video of the entire conversation which bears this out.

    Please,the evidence is clear that Obama is in Wall Street’s and Goldman Sachs pockets (see Corporatism category).

    Look at how the stimulus money is being wasted –

    http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/stimulus-disaster-wasteful-and-crony-lined-spending-becoming-public/

    The cronyism, the kickbacks, the tax money to ACORN, the Democrats unwillingmess to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac cause they keep sending money to the campaign cofferes of the Democratic Leadership.

    Look at the House Health Bill, it gives them the power to deny care to the critically ill and aged and others just like is being done in Britain and canada right now. Recent history in other countries who adopted this route proves beyond reasonable doubbt that it is not people like me who wish to deny people care, it is people like you. I have dozens upon dozens of articles and studies showing this simple truth.

    People have to pull their own teeth in England, breast cancer patients being denied meds because it is too expensive, wait lists for surgeries that go over a year. In Canada when you sign up for a family doctor there is a three year wait list. These incedents are common and proved beyond doubt.

    The government has medicare and social security and the general budget broke and in debt obligations that are hopeless to meet. What confidence can we have that this would be any different. Even the Democrats own CBO say that this health care bill will raise costs.

    What we need is a unique American plan, a private public partnership one that covers catastrophic and pre-existing conditions, and the rest of the system that has REAL market forces in place to reduce waste and inflation. Think about it, what incentive to keep costs down is there if “who cares medicare will just pay for it” – imagine how much food would cost if we had government food insurance. – Editor]

  3. Phluffmuffin said

    Whether or not you agree with what problemat1que said regarding the insurance companies, his point about that being an edited video is true. (And very easy to look up) Why you still have this article posted on your website confuses me. You must know it’s edited and that it is very misleading.

    Chilling.

    [ It was an hour long show and you see a 2 minute clip, so in that sense it is edited, but since the entire video and the transcripts and other statements form White House advisors tell the same story; to claim that it was edited to change the context or meaning is just a lie as like you said, anyone can look up the entire program and the transcript – in fact I dare you to try.

    Everyone who saw this on ABC knew what Obama was saying. If Bush had said anything like this the media and Democrats would have had a cow. You saying that the clip is misleading tells me that you either didn’t see it live or are just lying about it.

    Keep in mind that three presidential advisors, Cass Sunstien, Ezekiel Emanuel, Robert Reich, and John Holdren are all on the record in writing about population control and/or similar ideas.

    – Editor]

  4. Edited for brevity? Please. It was edited to make your point. If it hadn’t been edited your point would have been lost.

    [IUSB Vision Editor Responds:

    Bull… – The entire video is all over the place and is posted in the comment section in this thyread for all to see.

    It was an hour long show and you see a 2 minute clip, so in that sense it is edited, but since the entire video and the transcripts and other statements from White House advisors tell the same story; to claim that it was edited to change the context or meaning is just a lie. Anyone can look up the entire program and the transcript – in fact I dare you to try.

    Just to rub the facts in your face – take a look at this video from Robert Reich

    Alex, coming to my web site and displaying your ignorance is no way to advance your fledgeling acting career.

    At least when James Woods speaks, he knows what he is talking about. – Editor]

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  6. Chris said

    The original post was edited to present your anti Obama agenda. Your distorted quote tacked on my post above supports the same agenda. Everyone should just listen to the whole interview and try to keep an open mind about it (and the President) as they do.


    Here is a link to the whole conversation.

    IUSB Vision Editor Responds:

    Thanks for posting this as the entire video proved our point and that what we posted above is perfectly in context. It is great to have not just Obama’s admission where he says that government can let her mom’s doctor know that “it isn’t going to help” and then in the next breath contradict himself and say that government will not be getting in the way of doctor/patient decisions. Of course they will, that is exactly what the IPAB is for, not to mention 149 other bureaucratic boards in ObamaCare. It doesn’t take 150 bureaucratic entities to tell a doctor to treat you or to send a check.

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  8. […] Obamacare is unconstitutional as outside the scope of the legislative powers granted to Congress by Our Constitution. And it does much more than force us to buy medical insurance. Obamacare turns medical care over to the federal government to control. Bureaucrats in the Department of Health and Human Services will decide who gets medical treatment and what treatment they will get; and who will be denied medical treatment. If you think the federal government is doing a great job feeling up old ladies and little children at airports, wait until they are deciding whether you get medical care or “the painkiller”. […]

  9. […] Reich, Obama advisor and former Labor Secretary, said regarding healthcare, if a President was honest, he’d tell you that the young would have to pay more and the old […]

  10. […] passed into law — declared as much in an interview a scant few years ago <source><source>. Even further, the so-called “death panels” as delineated in the PPAHCA seem to be […]

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